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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by calvinlawson</title>
		<link>http://calvinlawson.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/answers-in-genesis-part-iii-creationism/#comment-481</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patriot,

It might seem strange to you, if you have only approached the Bible with a devotional methodology.  But there are many things that can be learned from the bible without &quot;trusting&quot; it; especially if by &quot;trusting&quot; you mean I don&#039;t believe it is infallible.  

The &quot;criterion of embarrassment&quot; is used in conjunction with other criterion to determine the likelihood of any statement in the bible being about the historical Jesus, instead of an invention of pious followers.  The bible states that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, and it&#039;s highly unlikely his followers would make up such a shameful fact.  For this and other reasons it makes it relatively likely that Jesus was actually a bastard child.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_criticism]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriot,</p>
<p>It might seem strange to you, if you have only approached the Bible with a devotional methodology.  But there are many things that can be learned from the bible without &#8220;trusting&#8221; it; especially if by &#8220;trusting&#8221; you mean I don&#8217;t believe it is infallible.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;criterion of embarrassment&#8221; is used in conjunction with other criterion to determine the likelihood of any statement in the bible being about the historical Jesus, instead of an invention of pious followers.  The bible states that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, and it&#8217;s highly unlikely his followers would make up such a shameful fact.  For this and other reasons it makes it relatively likely that Jesus was actually a bastard child.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_criticism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_criticism</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by patpatriotagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so you don&#039;t want to believe the bible, but yet you will use pieces of it to try to discredit Jesus. If the bibe is not to be trusted, how can you reference it concerning the information regarding his birth? 
&quot;thou protesteth too much&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so you don&#8217;t want to believe the bible, but yet you will use pieces of it to try to discredit Jesus. If the bibe is not to be trusted, how can you reference it concerning the information regarding his birth?<br />
&#8220;thou protesteth too much&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Calvin Lawson by calvinlawson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;consciousness is not the result of the brain and the brain only, that would disrupt the laws of cause and effect.&quot;

Sorry, a non-physical source of motivation would disrupt the law of cause and effect, while a physical source would not.

If you&#039;re interested, here is a long but fascinating discussion of this very topic.

http://jsomers.net/careenium.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;consciousness is not the result of the brain and the brain only, that would disrupt the laws of cause and effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, a non-physical source of motivation would disrupt the law of cause and effect, while a physical source would not.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, here is a long but fascinating discussion of this very topic.</p>
<p><a href="http://jsomers.net/careenium.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://jsomers.net/careenium.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by calvinlawson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll just leave this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent#Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve_in_giraffes

If your god &quot;designed&quot; this he&#039;s not as good of an architect as you might think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just leave this here:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent#Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve_in_giraffes" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent#Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve_in_giraffes</a></p>
<p>If your god &#8220;designed&#8221; this he&#8217;s not as good of an architect as you might think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by calvinlawson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an excellent point, jjj!  For a Creationist interested in learning about evolution, Dawkins is probably not a good person to read due to his religious opinions.

I would probably recommend Ken Miller; he&#039;s a theist (Christian-Catholic) and an &quot;evolutionist&quot; (re: a biology professor).  This book is probably a good place for them to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_a_Theory

Warning, though, he doesn&#039;t pander to religious fundamentalists. 

Thanks for your insightful comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an excellent point, jjj!  For a Creationist interested in learning about evolution, Dawkins is probably not a good person to read due to his religious opinions.</p>
<p>I would probably recommend Ken Miller; he&#8217;s a theist (Christian-Catholic) and an &#8220;evolutionist&#8221; (re: a biology professor).  This book is probably a good place for them to start:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_a_Theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_a_Theory</a></p>
<p>Warning, though, he doesn&#8217;t pander to religious fundamentalists. </p>
<p>Thanks for your insightful comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Calvin Lawson by jjj</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The price of this deprogramming is an eternal fascination with religious belief of all kinds.&quot;

very well said.

Once you get away from the dogma of &quot;this way or no way&quot;
all religion becomes interesting, because you are free from restrictions. This is coming from a Christian. 


&quot;Matter became self-aware through a process of physical and psychological improvements.&quot;

whoa buddy, slow down.
consciousness is not the result of the brain and the brain only, that would disrupt the laws of cause and effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The price of this deprogramming is an eternal fascination with religious belief of all kinds.&#8221;</p>
<p>very well said.</p>
<p>Once you get away from the dogma of &#8220;this way or no way&#8221;<br />
all religion becomes interesting, because you are free from restrictions. This is coming from a Christian. </p>
<p>&#8220;Matter became self-aware through a process of physical and psychological improvements.&#8221;</p>
<p>whoa buddy, slow down.<br />
consciousness is not the result of the brain and the brain only, that would disrupt the laws of cause and effect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by jjj</title>
		<link>http://calvinlawson.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/answers-in-genesis-part-iii-creationism/#comment-459</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[calvinlawson,

I was not surprised to see 

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787

mentioned as an evolution source.

to all theist, I recommend also reading books on evolution that are NOT written by Dawkins. Dawkins has a way of injecting anti theism into every word he says, and you don&#039;t have to deny god to embrace the warm feeling of logic you get by reading about evolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calvinlawson,</p>
<p>I was not surprised to see </p>
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<p style="margin: 10px 10px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank"><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wWxVQZluL.jpg" height="500" width="329" alt="The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" style="padding:0;margin:0;border:none;" /></a></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank">The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution</a></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px;">
<p style="margin: 10px 129.5px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank"><img alt="Buy from Amazon" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/buttons/buy-from-tan.gif"" style="padding:0;margin:0;border:none;" /></a></p>
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<p>mentioned as an evolution source.</p>
<p>to all theist, I recommend also reading books on evolution that are NOT written by Dawkins. Dawkins has a way of injecting anti theism into every word he says, and you don&#8217;t have to deny god to embrace the warm feeling of logic you get by reading about evolution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by jjj</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im a Christian, and MY god is a much better architect then the young earth creationist god.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im a Christian, and MY god is a much better architect then the young earth creationist god.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[sidney ford, founder of fords prairie is like my 5 or 6 greet grandpa. i wanted to search my family. the ford family married the stewart people(me). desents from romania and germany. and we r part indian. we have a family cemetary in fords prarie(centrillia). our family seems to never end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sidney ford, founder of fords prairie is like my 5 or 6 greet grandpa. i wanted to search my family. the ford family married the stewart people(me). desents from romania and germany. and we r part indian. we have a family cemetary in fords prarie(centrillia). our family seems to never end.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis: Part III &#8211; Creationism (Young Earth) by calvinlawson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 05:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[b,

No problem, I was wondering, lol!  I thought English might be your 2nd language, but I didn&#039;t want to say anything just in case it wasn&#039;t.  It&#039;s much better now; I hate typing on mobile phones.

As to &quot;what I read&quot; that discredits creation, I challenge you to read ONE book on evolution that isn&#039;t written by an creationist.  Just. One. Single. Book.  When you&#039;re done with that book you can ask me again.

But yes, direct contradictions in scripture were a key I needed to break my dogmatic believe in scriptural infallibility.  You CAN believe differently than you are taught; it&#039;s just hard.  It start by being willing to read books written by people you completely disagree with.  Here&#039;s one book you might start with:

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787

I sincerely hope you take me up on this.  You seem to be a really nice person and I&#039;d hate for you to be so deceived by those who twist religion to fit their aberrant dogmas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b,</p>
<p>No problem, I was wondering, lol!  I thought English might be your 2nd language, but I didn&#8217;t want to say anything just in case it wasn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s much better now; I hate typing on mobile phones.</p>
<p>As to &#8220;what I read&#8221; that discredits creation, I challenge you to read ONE book on evolution that isn&#8217;t written by an creationist.  Just. One. Single. Book.  When you&#8217;re done with that book you can ask me again.</p>
<p>But yes, direct contradictions in scripture were a key I needed to break my dogmatic believe in scriptural infallibility.  You CAN believe differently than you are taught; it&#8217;s just hard.  It start by being willing to read books written by people you completely disagree with.  Here&#8217;s one book you might start with:</p>
<div style="width: 349px; text-align: center; background: #fff; border: 1px solid #aaa; margin: 3px; padding: 2px;">
<p style="margin: 10px 10px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank"><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wWxVQZluL.jpg" height="500" width="329" alt="The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" style="padding:0;margin:0;border:none;" /></a></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank">The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution</a></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px;">
<p style="margin: 10px 129.5px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787" target="_blank"><img alt="Buy from Amazon" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/buttons/buy-from-tan.gif"" style="padding:0;margin:0;border:none;" /></a></p>
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<p>I sincerely hope you take me up on this.  You seem to be a really nice person and I&#8217;d hate for you to be so deceived by those who twist religion to fit their aberrant dogmas.</p>
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